[Massplanners] Question about becoming the least patriotic town planner in...

[Lois]

The Norwell Board of Appeals does not recite the Pledge and never has to my knowledge. I’m with Georgetown and Chelsea on this one! (BTW, Chelsea, I had to recite the pledge through junior high and high school!)

The Select Board does at their meetings and at the Annual Town Meeting (that includes a nonsectarian prayer!).


Lois S. Barbour, Chair
Norwell Board of Appeals
781.826.0497 (H)
781.248.3757 (C)
lsbarbour at gmail.com <mailto:lsbarbour at gmail.com> 

> On Dec 19, 2023, at 9:04 AM, jwdpro via MassPlanners <massplanners at masscptc.org> wrote:
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> The Chelsea Planning Board does not recite the Pledge.  It's never been brought up as an issue in the 30+ years I've been serving as the staff to the Board.  If the Board directed me to, I would add it to the agenda, but isn't the 7 years of reciting it each morning in elementary school enough to show my allegiance?
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> John DePriest
> Director of Permitting & Land Use Planning
> City Hall, Rm 106
> 500 Broadwaye ee
> Chelsea, MA 02150
> 617-467-4182
> jdepriest at chelseama.gov
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> From: "Danielson, Stephanie via MassPlanners" <massplanners at masscptc.org>
> Date: 12/15/23 10:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Harry LaCortiglia <hlacortiglia at comcast.net>, massplanners at masscptc.org
> Subject: Re: [Massplanners] Question about becoming the least patriotic town planner in...
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> Couldn’t agree more…
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> From: MassPlanners <massplanners-bounces at masscptc.org> On Behalf Of Harry LaCortiglia via MassPlanners
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 10:32 AM
> To: massplanners at masscptc.org
> Subject: Re: [Massplanners] Question about becoming the least patriotic town planner in...
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> Hi Thom,
> 
> Our Planning Board doesn't do a pledge before, after, or during our meetings. We're elected officials. 
> 
> Shortly after being elected we pledged to uphold the laws of the Commonwealth when we were being sworn in by the Town Clerk,.
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> Seems to me that a Pledge of Allegiance before each and every meeting would be somewhat redundant given that we've already all done it, at least once. 
> 
> One would have to ask...
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> If the pledge needed to be taken before every meeting that we hold, does that mean the pledge somehow expires between meetings? At what point does the Pledge expire? 
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> Do Pledges of Allegiance have half-lives? 
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> Are they only good for the duration of the meeting and then need to be renewed at the next meeting? What about when meetings are paused for only a few minutes? Do we need to "re- pledge" if an intermission is of a certain length?
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> Good thing it's a Friday...
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> Before anyone asks, we do not play the Star Spangled Banner at the beginning of the meetings, either. Nor is it softly playing in the background during the meetings.
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> (Our upcoming meeting may have a Mariah Carey holiday tune playing in the background though...) https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=fRyhqobl0sk
>  <https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=fRyhqobl0sk>
> H. LaCortiglia
> Georgetown
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> On 12/13/2023 12:45 PM, Thomas Bott via MassPlanners wrote:
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> Dear Planners:
> 
> The Board in CranberryLand USA is still working on finding their way. We have had some very interesting conversations about the Agenda recently. My question might just make me that most unpatriotic planner in Murica, but sometimes we have to ask the tough questions.
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> Does the Planning Board that you work with recite the Pledge of Allegiance at the beginning of their meeting? I have been in the process of updating the Board's Operating Procedures   https://www.carverma.gov/sites/g/files/vyhlif4221/f/uploads/pb_procedures_revised_6-29-2016.pdf   and there are no pledges noted in the policies nor on their Agenda, nevertheless they persist. No pledges including a Pledge to the Zoning Bylaw nor a Pledge to the Subdivision Regs  not even a pledge for a Nina Toten Bag https://shopnpr.org/this-is-nina-totin-bag are cited. 
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>  
> It seems like a regular feature in some communities for the Select Board but these folks selected the Planning Board for their public service. 
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> I would be much obliged as well if you wanted to share any of your policies and procedures.
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> TBott, fellow traveler? 
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