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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">My take is that migrating to a pay model should include features that would support that shift and that members should articulate what those features would be, consider the optional platforms, +/-, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I would also pony up if that were the consensus path. Be glad to serve in an exploratory group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">My take.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, April 17, 2025 at 8:26 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>webmaster@masscptc.org <webmaster@masscptc.org>, Joanne Zygmunt <jzygmunt@ocpcrpa.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>massplanners@masscptc.org <massplanners@masscptc.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL]Re: [Massplanners] massplanners listserv issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I agree that this is too important a channel to let go. I think setting up a donation link to collect the funds to keep things running (if necessary) is a good idea.
I'd be willing to make an annual donation / pay.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">After some quick searching and reading, I can see that replacing Mailman is a challenge. Two solutions not mentioned that came up are
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Me, too. Maybe CPTC could send a donation link and set a goal?
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<p style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#242424">Joanne Zygmun</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#242424">t (she/her/hers)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Massplanners] massplanners listserv issues</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I'd be willing to pay to keep the Listserv running.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Andrea Adams<br>
Retired Land Use Planner<br>
118 Green Street<br>
Woburn, MA 01801<br>
508-332-8070 <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, 6:52<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM webmaster--- via MassPlanners <<a href="mailto:massplanners@masscptc.org">massplanners@masscptc.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear massplanners listserv subscribers,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> The administrators have run into a problem with the listserv. We are no longer able to approve new subscribers. There is no known work around for this issue other than allowing anyone to subscribe without review.
We are hesitant to use this option. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Also, some, and maybe all, subscribers who opted to receive listserv messages in \u2018digest\u2019 form (one email per day) are no longer receiving anything. This can be solved by unselecting the digest option. We have
unselected the option on a case by case basis for subscribers who have contacted us. Subscribers can do this themselves by going to
</span><u><span style="color:blue"><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fus-east-2.protection.sophos.com%3fd%3dmasscptc.org%26u%3daHR0cHM6Ly9tYXNzY3B0Yy5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9vcHRpb25zL21hc3NwbGFubmVyc19tYXNzY3B0Yy5vcmc%3d%26i%3dNjYzOTI5N2MzMjhmODU2ODAzZGYzMDY1%26t%3dOGRIaUpLL3V1cjBSdlpzT2VMQlBELzRJOVhKWjhzWGNzY05OMDRFNzhMQT0%3d%26h%3d4c812e60da5a49deb4dc3e962615f810%26s%3dAVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVajCG3pRc5Br_7Uox7yEg5DqSqbuu8DVHUAxfatzHAV0lhMBR5hj2zUL1iPt29yeds&c=E,1,Rw3L9Bm3Wfud3C1dr3IEZeittaFFdTvHdWbPICE5kklN7AbuZymKbgzVWFuLRsNUcDpzRHyNxAZuvsUeL12ZDwzrhS-4agutP47CQ5E7&typo=1" target="_blank">https://masscptc.org/mailman/options/massplanners_masscptc.org</a></span></u><span style="color:black">.
Scroll down to \u2018Set Digest Mode\u2019 and set to \u2018Off\u2019.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The person running the server for the listserv and CPTC website believes that a recent update to Python, the underlying server language, is causing a bug in Mailman listserv platform. Normally the bug is fixed
in relatively short order. This time that is not happening. He thinks that may be because the user base for Mailman has declined to the point where it is not considered important. This may be the end of Mailman as a viable listserv platform.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">We are evaluating moving to another platform. Currently under consideration are Google Groups, Gaggle, and Discourse. Gaggle and Discourse are more feature rich but cost money ($1200/year). Google groups is free
but requires subscribers to have a Google account. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">A reminder that the massplanners listserv is run entirely by volunteers. Shout out to Nathan Chung of Northampton and Mariah Kurtz of FRCOG for their assistance with the evaluation and Tim Czerwienski of Beals
Associates Inc. for moderating the listserv. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">We\u2019ll keep you updated. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Alan Pease<br>
CPTC <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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