<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">I think it’s reasonable to ask for numbers. Developers going for bank loans will have numbers, right?<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 16, 2024, at 3:24 PM, Ryan, Christopher via MassPlanners <massplanners@masscptc.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Thanks, will do.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">One issue has been the assertion that at some point, the market will change and 3 stories will be feasible again…..maybe, maybe not.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">So logically, we zone for a desired outcome, not a market condition. But who knows if the state might balk at 3 story MMU based on development feasibility. I wonder if they’ve had the opportunity to evaluate this as yet.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Richard McCarthy <<a href="mailto:rmccarthy@norfolk.ma.us" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">rmccarthy@norfolk.ma.us</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, July 16, 2024 2:01 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ryan, Christopher <<a href="mailto:cryan@belmont-ma.gov" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">cryan@belmont-ma.gov</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mass Planners <<a href="mailto:massplanners@masscptc.org" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">massplanners@masscptc.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[EXTERNAL]Mandatory Mixed Use - 3A Zoning Question<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="border: 1pt solid rgb(156, 101, 0); padding: 2pt;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 12pt; background: rgb(255, 235, 156);"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(156, 101, 0);">CAUTION:</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Chris,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It’s a challenging question to answer. I’m sure you know there are so many variables in doing mixed use. We struggle with the same questions here. I remember 3 years ago when we working on increasing building height from 2 ½ stories to 3 stories people were very concerned. We have a great mixed use building in town center that is 2 ½ stories that is fully occupied. We explained how that project at 2 ½ stories was pretty unique in that that a local bank owned the property received site plan approval couldn’t afford to build a standalone bank. The bank partnered bank with a local developer to build a mixed use building which they are a tenant with other tenants.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We are tackling this topic again if I have anything I will share.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Please share what you have.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks. </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Richard J. McCarthy, Jr.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Town Planner</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">1 Liberty Lane</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Norfolk, MA 02056</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">508-440-2807</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Office Hours- Monday through Thursday 9am to 6pm</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Closed Fridays</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: red;">As a reminder, please do not reply all to this email. If you have any questions or comments, email me directly. </span></b><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: red;"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: red;">Please be advised that the Secretary of State has determined that e-mail sent by or received by municipal employees is a public record.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>MassPlanners <<a href="mailto:massplanners-bounces@masscptc.org" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">massplanners-bounces@masscptc.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ryan, Christopher via MassPlanners<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, July 16, 2024 10:55 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:massplanners@masscptc.org" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">massplanners@masscptc.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Massplanners] Mandatory Mixed Use - 3A Zoning Question<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Good morning planners</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">I am having a lot of trouble finding resources to verify an assumption that mixed use buildings are generally not viable at 3 stories and require at least 3 stories of residential in addition to the ground floor commercial to be feasible to develop in the current market. We’ve been counseled on this by several consultants but have not been able to find any journal articles, newspaper pieces, memos, white papers, or anything else that definitively provides evidence for this.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Since we are seeking to establish a mandatory mixed use zoning subdistrict in Belmont, we’d like to be able to provide information to our citizens who are skeptical about this assumption and would rather we limit MMU to 3 stories total. Does anyone have information which could help us with our outreach for this provision?</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Thanks in advance,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Chris R.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">====================================================<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><i><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif;">Christopher J. Ryan, AICP, Ph.D.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif;">Director of Planning & Building</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif;">Town of Belmont</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif;">19 Moore Street</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif;">Belmont, MA 02478-0900</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif;">Tel: 617.993.2658</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif;">Email:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "Calibri Light", sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:cryan@belmont-ma.gov" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">cryan@belmont-ma.gov</a></span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif;">Web:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "Calibri Light", sans-serif;"><a href="https://www.belmont-ma.gov/office-of-planning-building" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">https://www.belmont-ma.gov/office-of-planning-building</a></span><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style", serif;"></span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">===================================================<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">MassPlanners mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><a href="mailto:MassPlanners@masscptc.org" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">MassPlanners@masscptc.org</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><a href="http://masscptc.org/mailman/listinfo/massplanners_masscptc.org" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">http://masscptc.org/mailman/listinfo/massplanners_masscptc.org</a></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>