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<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">So.... <br>
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<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">7 years of elementary
school <br>
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<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">plus <br>
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<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">5 years of jr. and high
school</font></p>
<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">multiplied by<br>
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<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">180 Days in the school year
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<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">(7+5) x 180 = <b>2160
times</b>... depending upon your attendance record...</font></p>
<font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Happy Holidays All!</font><br>
<font size="4" face="Times New Roman">H. LaCortiglia</font><br>
<font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Georgetown<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/19/2023 9:14 AM, Lois wrote:<br>
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The Norwell Board of Appeals does not recite the Pledge and never
has to my knowledge. I’m with Georgetown and Chelsea on this one!
(BTW, Chelsea, I had to recite the pledge through junior high and
high school!)
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<div>The Select Board does at their meetings and at the Annual
Town Meeting (that includes a nonsectarian prayer!).
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<div>Lois S. Barbour, Chair<br>
Norwell Board of Appeals<br>
781.826.0497 (H)<br>
781.248.3757 (C)<br>
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<div dir="auto">The Chelsea Planning Board does not
recite the Pledge. It's never been brought up as an
issue in the 30+ years I've been serving as the
staff to the Board. If the Board directed me to, I
would add it to the agenda, but isn't the 7 years of
reciting it each morning in elementary school enough
to show my allegiance?</div>
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<div dir="auto">John DePriest</div>
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Planning</div>
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<div>From: "Danielson, Stephanie via MassPlanners"
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<div>Date: 12/15/23 10:55 AM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: Harry LaCortiglia
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<div>Subject: Re: [Massplanners] Question about
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf
Of </span></b>Harry LaCortiglia via
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Friday, December 15, 2023 10:32 AM<br>
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Re: [Massplanners] Question about becoming
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Thom,</span></font></p>
<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Our
Planning Board doesn't do a pledge before,
after, or during our meetings. We're elected
officials. </span></font></p>
<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Shortly
after being elected we pledged to uphold the
laws of the Commonwealth when we were being
sworn in by the Town Clerk,.
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<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Seems
to me that a Pledge of Allegiance before each
and every meeting would be somewhat redundant
given that we've already all done it, at least
once.
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<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">One
would have to ask...</span></font></p>
<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If
the pledge needed to be taken before every
meeting that we hold, does that mean the
pledge somehow expires between meetings? At
what point does the Pledge expire? </span></font></p>
<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Do
Pledges of Allegiance have half-lives? </span></font></p>
<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Are
they only good for the duration of the meeting
and then need to be renewed at the next
meeting? What about when meetings are paused
for only a few minutes? Do we need to "re-
pledge" if an intermission is of a certain
length?</span></font></p>
<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Good
thing it's a Friday...</span></font></p>
<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Before
anyone asks, we do not play the Star Spangled
Banner at the beginning of the meetings,
either. Nor is it softly playing in the
background during the meetings.</span></font></p>
<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(Our
upcoming meeting may have a Mariah Carey
holiday tune playing in the background
though...)
<a
href="https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=fRyhqobl0sk"
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LaCortiglia</span></font><span
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</span><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Georgetown</span></font><span
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12/13/2023 12:45 PM, Thomas Bott via
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Board in CranberryLand USA is
still working on finding their
way. We have had some very
interesting conversations about
the Agenda recently. My question
might just make me that most
unpatriotic planner in Murica,
but sometimes we have to ask the
tough questions.</span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Does
the Planning Board that you work
with recite the Pledge of
Allegiance at the beginning of
their meeting? I have been in
the process of updating the
Board's Operating Procedures <a
href="https://www.carverma.gov/sites/g/files/vyhlif4221/f/uploads/pb_procedures_revised_6-29-2016.pdf"
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and there are no pledges noted
in the policies nor on their
Agenda, nevertheless they
persist. No pledges including a
Pledge to the Zoning Bylaw nor a
Pledge to the Subdivision Regs
not even a pledge for a Nina
Toten Bag <a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://shopnpr.org/this-is-nina-totin-bag</a> are
cited. </span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">It
seems like a regular feature in
some communities for the Select
Board but these folks selected
the Planning Board for their
public service. </span></font></p>
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would be much obliged as well if
you wanted to share any of your
policies and procedures.</span></font></p>
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