<div dir="auto">I really, really recall SCL being opt in. There are still some communities...urban mostly, who never adopted it and work through other mechanisms.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But, as you say, interesting legal question. Though should be easy to figure out.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 2:08 PM Buzz Constable <<a href="mailto:buzz.constable@gmail.com">buzz.constable@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Bill –</p></div></div></blockquote><div> Ah, yes -- the marathon o fzoning reform has more years than the Boston Marathon has miles.....</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> I believe that any law which a community has to accept can later be rejected, unless the statute provides to the contrary; however, you should confirm that with town counsel.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> However, MGLc 41 §81K, <a href="http://et.al" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">et.al</a>., the Subdivision Control Law, as well as most sections of MGLc 40A, the Zoning Act, are mandatory, including I believe both ANRs and grandfathering. No rejection allowed, although one could always
seek special legislation for an exemption. Good luck on that.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> As for Doug’s idea that all ANR – divided lots are unbuildable until the PB certifies otherwise – I would anticipate some legal fight, but it's an interesting idea.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> B <<a href="mailto:bfitzgerald.ma@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bfitzgerald.ma@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 13, 2021 12:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> William G. Constable <<a href="mailto:buzz@awperry.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">buzz@awperry.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> massplanners <<a href="mailto:massplanners@cs.umb.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">massplanners@cs.umb.edu</a>>; Mass Planners <<a href="mailto:massplanners@masscptc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">massplanners@masscptc.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:buzz.constable@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">buzz.constable@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Massplanners] ANR Question<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">20 years? Don't sell you (and I) short, ha. Hope you are well.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Question I've asked in the past and never seen an answer...if a community has to accept a law, can they repeal that acceptance? (Assuming for a second nothing in the law says they can't?). I wonder what happens to ANR, grandfathering,
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<p class="MsoNormal">Changes the balance for land use reform?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 12:41 PM William G. Constable <<a href="mailto:buzz@awperry.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">buzz@awperry.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="http://et.al" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">et.al</a>. --<u></u><u></u></p>
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As a veteran of the Zoning Reform movement – at least two decades old – I believe that most observers agree that broad change to MGLc 40A is very unlikely in the foreseeable future. ANR has been a foundational matter for homebuilders and other developers,
so use of your zoning bylaw to regulate larger ANR subdivisions is unlikely.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> However, you might consider seeking Town General By-law requiring review by the Bd of Selectmen and Bd of health before any building permit is issued involving land
which has been subdivided via DNR in the past five (three, or ten?) years, and requiring a note to that effect on any ANR plan for an aggregate of more than five (three, or ten?) lots – note that it must include serial ANR plans to come under the numerical
threshold. The public interest in reviewing curb cuts, groundwater quality and public water supply would, I suggest, make such a bylaw defensible.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kristina Johnson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim Czerwienski <<a href="mailto:tczerwienski@townofmilton.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">tczerwienski@townofmilton.org</a>>; Richard Clark <<a href="mailto:rpclark508@aol.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpclark508@aol.com</a>>;
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<p class="MsoNormal">The legislation that you are referencing is from several years ago and is no longer in play. There are currently no bills this session that deal with ANR reform. As you can imagine,
comprehensive zoning reform is difficult because it’s complicated and generates immediate opposition given its size, scope, and subject matter. APA-MA and MAPD have filed legislation this session relative to zoning reform, two of which received hearings:
codifying a framework for site plan review and lowering the voting threshold for all zoning amendments (which is written as an opt-in for municipalities unlike Housing Choice). <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this helps clarify the status of zoning reform.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Richard Clark; <a href="mailto:massplanners@cs.umb.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
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<p class="MsoNormal">ANR reform was a plank in the wide-ranging Zoning Reform package that came tantalizingly close to passage a few years ago. I’m sure others on this listserv have more insight into
where that stands right now.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.mapc.org%2fplanning101%2fsupport-the-house-zoning-and-housing-initiative%2f&c=E,1,mzc9ae1hS4LkHgw_eT8TSFbcPzL78xUHD5d6eSDrWv-wujdh25kIrehpgObp5XiRo6dC3ZaLtLwCaHKv3sd2s_qss3b9yP6M1yOeXC1PH_zlmivWrQ,,&typo=1" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.mapc.org/planning101/support-the-house-zoning-and-housing-initiative/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Clark<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:massplanners@cs.umb.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">massplanners@cs.umb.edu</a>;
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<b>Subject:</b> [Massplanners] ANR Question<u></u><u></u></p>
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in place that allows for the municipal review of major residential development proposals, that is multiple lots (five or more) being created along the frontage of an existing Town road." The ANR process does not allow for any such review. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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