[Massplanners] [EXTERNAL]Mandatory Mixed Use - 3A Zoning Question

[Ryan, Christopher]

Thanks, will do.

One issue has been the assertion that at some point, the market will change and 3 stories will be feasible again…..maybe, maybe not.

So logically, we zone for a desired outcome, not a market condition. But who knows if the state might balk at 3 story MMU based on development feasibility. I wonder if they’ve had the opportunity to evaluate this as yet.

Chris

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Chris,

It’s a challenging question to answer.  I’m sure you know there are so many variables in doing mixed use.   We struggle with the same questions here. I remember 3 years ago when we working on increasing building height from 2 ½ stories to  3 stories people were very concerned.  We have a great mixed use building in town center that is 2 ½ stories that is fully occupied. We explained how that project at 2 ½ stories was pretty unique  in that that a local bank owned the property received site plan approval couldn’t afford to build a standalone bank. The bank partnered bank with a local developer to build a mixed use building which they are a tenant with other tenants.

We are tackling this topic again if I have anything I will share.

Please share what you have.

Thanks.

Richard J. McCarthy, Jr.
Town Planner
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Norfolk, MA 02056
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Subject: [Massplanners] Mandatory Mixed Use - 3A Zoning Question

Good morning planners

I am having a lot of trouble finding resources to verify an assumption that mixed use buildings are generally not viable at 3 stories and require at least 3 stories of residential in addition to the ground floor commercial to be feasible to develop in the current market. We’ve been counseled on this by several consultants but have not been able to find any journal articles, newspaper pieces, memos, white papers, or anything else that definitively provides evidence for this.

Since we are seeking to establish a mandatory mixed use zoning subdistrict in Belmont, we’d like to be able to provide information to our citizens who are skeptical about this assumption and would rather we limit MMU to 3 stories total. Does anyone have information which could help us with our outreach for this provision?

Thanks in advance,

Chris R.

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Christopher J. Ryan, AICP, Ph.D.
Director of Planning & Building
Town of Belmont
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